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	<title>Comments on: Growing Up Stupid</title>
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		<title>By: Sara (SarasNavel)</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/10/16/growing-up-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-52649</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara (SarasNavel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if elementary teachers consider themselves inherently &quot;bad&quot; at math, as I guarantee you many (if not most) of them do, they cannot possibly make their students understand that no one is just born bad at math.&quot;

and

&quot;[...]Those at my campus planning to teach high school math - and thus who are essentially getting a content degree in mathematics with a few education courses - are known to complain, &quot;why should I have to take this high-level math course when I will never teach this material?&quot; The utter lack of interest in their major subject is astounding. Why are they math majors then? Because with such a shortage of math teachers, they are certain to get a job. And with teachers relatively uninterested in the subject they are teaching, the cycle of poor preparation continues.&quot;

This from a math fan &amp; musician over at the biotunes.org &#039;bioblog&#039; post, &quot;We won&#039;t fix math education without fixing math stigma&quot;.  The author goes on to write about the sad state of American math textbooks as well, motivated by profit rather than education.

Wonderful as that post is, it is a description of the problem, not an analysis of the cause. 

One possible breadcrumb trail to the cause of the decline of mathematical proficiency in America:

-Math is the basis for the scientific disciplines.

-Biology and Physics can be taken as a form of cosmology, or at least the basic cornerstones of one.

-Weakening those cornerstones in the American public (to the point where critical thinking itself is rarely seen as a good thing) can benefit other cosmologies.

-In the mid-1900&#039;s, one particular cosmology began to gain a much stronger foothold in American politics, especially once we were faced with the &quot;godless communists&#039;.

-However, during the Cold War, even those most theologically opposed to communism realized that we needed math proficiency to win the battle for political superiority and therefore mindshare.

-The Cold War is no longer a factor.

-The addiction to mindshare remains.


  Religion-based hatred and discrimination are no longer subtle or even caged.  In fact, they are now played up in an attempt to &quot;unify&quot; and manipulate large numbers of people, dollars...and votes.

So, really the question becomes one of, &quot;if this breadcrumb trail is correct, how do we follow it back to a solution&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if elementary teachers consider themselves inherently &#8220;bad&#8221; at math, as I guarantee you many (if not most) of them do, they cannot possibly make their students understand that no one is just born bad at math.&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;[...]Those at my campus planning to teach high school math &#8211; and thus who are essentially getting a content degree in mathematics with a few education courses &#8211; are known to complain, &#8220;why should I have to take this high-level math course when I will never teach this material?&#8221; The utter lack of interest in their major subject is astounding. Why are they math majors then? Because with such a shortage of math teachers, they are certain to get a job. And with teachers relatively uninterested in the subject they are teaching, the cycle of poor preparation continues.&#8221;</p>
<p>This from a math fan &amp; musician over at the biotunes.org &#8216;bioblog&#8217; post, &#8220;We won&#8217;t fix math education without fixing math stigma&#8221;.  The author goes on to write about the sad state of American math textbooks as well, motivated by profit rather than education.</p>
<p>Wonderful as that post is, it is a description of the problem, not an analysis of the cause. </p>
<p>One possible breadcrumb trail to the cause of the decline of mathematical proficiency in America:</p>
<p>-Math is the basis for the scientific disciplines.</p>
<p>-Biology and Physics can be taken as a form of cosmology, or at least the basic cornerstones of one.</p>
<p>-Weakening those cornerstones in the American public (to the point where critical thinking itself is rarely seen as a good thing) can benefit other cosmologies.</p>
<p>-In the mid-1900&#8217;s, one particular cosmology began to gain a much stronger foothold in American politics, especially once we were faced with the &#8220;godless communists&#8217;.</p>
<p>-However, during the Cold War, even those most theologically opposed to communism realized that we needed math proficiency to win the battle for political superiority and therefore mindshare.</p>
<p>-The Cold War is no longer a factor.</p>
<p>-The addiction to mindshare remains.</p>
<p>  Religion-based hatred and discrimination are no longer subtle or even caged.  In fact, they are now played up in an attempt to &#8220;unify&#8221; and manipulate large numbers of people, dollars&#8230;and votes.</p>
<p>So, really the question becomes one of, &#8220;if this breadcrumb trail is correct, how do we follow it back to a solution&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tinasim02</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/10/16/growing-up-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-52644</link>
		<dc:creator>tinasim02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so totally agree with this.  My kid&#039;s school was very sports centered and the academics suffered because of it.  So many parents see the high salaries that a few athletes get and think their kid can get that, too, or at least an athletic scholarship to college.  What they don&#039;t realize is that there are only about 3,000 professional athletes in the world who can live on an athlete&#039;s salary - the rest are either amateur or get paid so little that they need a second job.

And as for a college scholarship, the world is filled with kids who got these scholarships but because they didn&#039;t have the necessary preparation they either failed out of school or got a degree that is worthless because the college alumni made sure there were bogus courses for them to take.  Alabama had a scandal a while back when it came out that they had freshmen teaching some courses for athletes.

(You hit a hot button with me, Helen - thanks.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so totally agree with this.  My kid&#8217;s school was very sports centered and the academics suffered because of it.  So many parents see the high salaries that a few athletes get and think their kid can get that, too, or at least an athletic scholarship to college.  What they don&#8217;t realize is that there are only about 3,000 professional athletes in the world who can live on an athlete&#8217;s salary &#8211; the rest are either amateur or get paid so little that they need a second job.</p>
<p>And as for a college scholarship, the world is filled with kids who got these scholarships but because they didn&#8217;t have the necessary preparation they either failed out of school or got a degree that is worthless because the college alumni made sure there were bogus courses for them to take.  Alabama had a scandal a while back when it came out that they had freshmen teaching some courses for athletes.</p>
<p>(You hit a hot button with me, Helen &#8211; thanks.)</p>
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