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	<description>helen boyd&#039;s journal of gender &#38; trans issues</description>
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		<title>By: pannonica</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-46778</link>
		<dc:creator>pannonica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thank you Emma, for a modicum of relative rationality, tempered with acknowledged yet justifiable selfishness (it&#039;s endemic to the condition). And my deepest sympathies for the extrinsic obstacles to your SRS/GRS.

Tina, if you can&#039;t readily tell who&#039;s who in the gestalt, just look at the incisors in the early and later photographs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thank you Emma, for a modicum of relative rationality, tempered with acknowledged yet justifiable selfishness (it&#8217;s endemic to the condition). And my deepest sympathies for the extrinsic obstacles to your SRS/GRS.</p>
<p>Tina, if you can&#8217;t readily tell who&#8217;s who in the gestalt, just look at the incisors in the early and later photographs.</p>
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		<title>By: helenboyd</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-46421</link>
		<dc:creator>helenboyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma, thanks so much - for your personal story, &amp; your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma, thanks so much &#8211; for your personal story, &#038; your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma G</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-46417</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that makes solidarity difficult politically is an insistence that individual amibiguity is antithetical to activism. I&#039;m a 57year old transwoman, living in an outwardly apparent same sex relationship similar to the one Helen describes as her own. I opted to not complete SRS for two reasons. Contra indications about my own health, and the legal minefield that such completion would entail for my partner and myself. As an American citizen residing as a permanent resident in Australia, and married to an Australian citizen, I have two legal systems to be concerned about.

The concerns of the Brunners echo many of my own. In addition I think now about what will happen if or when I need to utilize an aged care facility to continue to live out my life. The decisions we make are all more or less selfish, if they involve how best to safegauard our own survival. The paper Helen authored and linked to provide a very honest self-critical account of her own personal feelings and motivations. Were they selfish because she attempted to safegaurd her relationship for difficulty? I certainly don&#039;t think so.

Whether the Brunners represent the ideal media package for LGBT interests seems to me to expose very straightfowardly, how easily we can be diverted to focusing on differences to the exclusion of commonalities. Cara&#039;s post recognized her own disappointments, but also emphasized the more important legal difficulties as commonality. CTG&#039;s post is bias towards a hostile rant that exhibits very little critical thought. Her personal psychological interpretation of the photo is no more fact than my own: That the awkward pose could easily have resulted from the prompting of the staff photographer.

The article might have been less than ideal from an activist perspective, but it certainly focused on very commonly identifiable human interests about simple needs. It gives non trans people a clear path to some empathetic identification with areas of concern they also hold. Those with an open mind will maybe make the connection to their similarity in those intersts. 
Without connecting the dots of our humanity, I see very little prospect for human rights being exrtended to any minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that makes solidarity difficult politically is an insistence that individual amibiguity is antithetical to activism. I&#8217;m a 57year old transwoman, living in an outwardly apparent same sex relationship similar to the one Helen describes as her own. I opted to not complete SRS for two reasons. Contra indications about my own health, and the legal minefield that such completion would entail for my partner and myself. As an American citizen residing as a permanent resident in Australia, and married to an Australian citizen, I have two legal systems to be concerned about.</p>
<p>The concerns of the Brunners echo many of my own. In addition I think now about what will happen if or when I need to utilize an aged care facility to continue to live out my life. The decisions we make are all more or less selfish, if they involve how best to safegauard our own survival. The paper Helen authored and linked to provide a very honest self-critical account of her own personal feelings and motivations. Were they selfish because she attempted to safegaurd her relationship for difficulty? I certainly don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Whether the Brunners represent the ideal media package for LGBT interests seems to me to expose very straightfowardly, how easily we can be diverted to focusing on differences to the exclusion of commonalities. Cara&#8217;s post recognized her own disappointments, but also emphasized the more important legal difficulties as commonality. CTG&#8217;s post is bias towards a hostile rant that exhibits very little critical thought. Her personal psychological interpretation of the photo is no more fact than my own: That the awkward pose could easily have resulted from the prompting of the staff photographer.</p>
<p>The article might have been less than ideal from an activist perspective, but it certainly focused on very commonly identifiable human interests about simple needs. It gives non trans people a clear path to some empathetic identification with areas of concern they also hold. Those with an open mind will maybe make the connection to their similarity in those intersts.<br />
Without connecting the dots of our humanity, I see very little prospect for human rights being exrtended to any minority.</p>
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		<title>By: pannonica</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-45223</link>
		<dc:creator>pannonica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen:

I thought the article highlighted what an imbroglio the legislative status quo is, and potentially is, for all marital permutations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleen:</p>
<p>I thought the article highlighted what an imbroglio the legislative status quo is, and potentially is, for all marital permutations.</p>
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		<title>By: tinasim02</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-45139</link>
		<dc:creator>tinasim02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, looking at the picture, it looks like the wife is holding the trans-woman.  Or I just can&#039;t tell from the picture.  But whatever, I think it&#039;s a little nit-picky to talk about the photo as any indication of anything.

Despite the author&#039;s need to yet again describe the traditional transsexual script I thought it was a good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, looking at the picture, it looks like the wife is holding the trans-woman.  Or I just can&#8217;t tell from the picture.  But whatever, I think it&#8217;s a little nit-picky to talk about the photo as any indication of anything.</p>
<p>Despite the author&#8217;s need to yet again describe the traditional transsexual script I thought it was a good article.</p>
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		<title>By: colleen1983</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-45111</link>
		<dc:creator>colleen1983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no I&#039;m blog trolling!

Pannonica: the Brunners pitched a story to the New York Times along with Equality New Jersey, about how they have marriage rights, but maybe they might possibly perhaps lose those rights. Meanwhile most trans people don&#039;t have access to marriage - and our rights are getting worse. As the article points out in 76&#039; it was all fine and dandy, then in the 90&#039;s not so much. This article is not doing anyone any favors, and it was selfish of these folks to put themselves out there for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no I&#8217;m blog trolling!</p>
<p>Pannonica: the Brunners pitched a story to the New York Times along with Equality New Jersey, about how they have marriage rights, but maybe they might possibly perhaps lose those rights. Meanwhile most trans people don&#8217;t have access to marriage &#8211; and our rights are getting worse. As the article points out in 76&#8242; it was all fine and dandy, then in the 90&#8242;s not so much. This article is not doing anyone any favors, and it was selfish of these folks to put themselves out there for it.</p>
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		<title>By: pannonica</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2008/04/29/legal-marriage-queer-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-45066</link>
		<dc:creator>pannonica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039; t think the Brunners are rubes, and I don&#039;t think referencing those huge bureaucracies&#039; methods of dealing with &quot;unusual&quot; situations implicitly condones them. As for Cara&#039;s criticisms about pictures and pronouns, for now certain aspects still need to be simplified for the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; rubes (the general populace).

Colleen/Critical Thinking Girl is possibly the most self-involved and self-righteous person I&#039;ve encountered (she puts me to shame).

My worry is that that the litany of legal woes described in the article is just going to make legislators and the general public throw up their collective hands and further dismiss the TG phenomenon as too much of a hassle: all the easier to marginalize and ridicule.

Why does this appear in the Fashion &amp; Style section of the paper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217; t think the Brunners are rubes, and I don&#8217;t think referencing those huge bureaucracies&#8217; methods of dealing with &#8220;unusual&#8221; situations implicitly condones them. As for Cara&#8217;s criticisms about pictures and pronouns, for now certain aspects still need to be simplified for the <i>real</i> rubes (the general populace).</p>
<p>Colleen/Critical Thinking Girl is possibly the most self-involved and self-righteous person I&#8217;ve encountered (she puts me to shame).</p>
<p>My worry is that that the litany of legal woes described in the article is just going to make legislators and the general public throw up their collective hands and further dismiss the TG phenomenon as too much of a hassle: all the easier to marginalize and ridicule.</p>
<p>Why does this appear in the Fashion &amp; Style section of the paper?</p>
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		<title>By: Through Sickness, Health and Sex Change &#171; TransLate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Through Sickness, Health and Sex Change &#171; TransLate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on how this story is damaging The enGender blog on the complexities of this story my page on Marriage THERE are ways in which the Brunners are like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on how this story is damaging The enGender blog on the complexities of this story my page on Marriage THERE are ways in which the Brunners are like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dani81</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, these issues need to be addressed. But they don&#039;t need to be addressed by someone from the New York Times who goes to the IRS and the SSA for answers. I was echoing these comments by Critical Thinking Girl:

&quot;...the storm they&#039;re attempting to create over this has much more potential to negatively impact me, and others like me- someone who lives as a woman, with a male birth certificate, who is straight.

&quot;The Times&#039; reporter went to the IRS and Social Security office for clarification on these matters - the last thing we want to be doing is haphazardly looking to these agencies to set precedents - all because an already legally married couple wants a little more piece of mind.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, these issues need to be addressed. But they don&#8217;t need to be addressed by someone from the New York Times who goes to the IRS and the SSA for answers. I was echoing these comments by Critical Thinking Girl:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the storm they&#8217;re attempting to create over this has much more potential to negatively impact me, and others like me- someone who lives as a woman, with a male birth certificate, who is straight.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Times&#8217; reporter went to the IRS and Social Security office for clarification on these matters &#8211; the last thing we want to be doing is haphazardly looking to these agencies to set precedents &#8211; all because an already legally married couple wants a little more piece of mind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PennyCentury</title>
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		<dc:creator>PennyCentury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dani81, what do you mean by &quot;ruin it for everyone else&quot;? The only ones with the power to &quot;ruin it&quot; are the legislators and the politicians who act out of ignorance. And what about those of us who had a legal opposite-birth-sex and same gender marriage?

The more exposure this issue receives, the more positive opinion is formed.

I wish the Brunners all the best. 

Helen, don&#039;t change your approach. Your right on the mark.

- NH resident, Live Free or Die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dani81, what do you mean by &#8220;ruin it for everyone else&#8221;? The only ones with the power to &#8220;ruin it&#8221; are the legislators and the politicians who act out of ignorance. And what about those of us who had a legal opposite-birth-sex and same gender marriage?</p>
<p>The more exposure this issue receives, the more positive opinion is formed.</p>
<p>I wish the Brunners all the best. </p>
<p>Helen, don&#8217;t change your approach. Your right on the mark.</p>
<p>- NH resident, Live Free or Die.</p>
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