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		<title>By: Danielle Askini</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2007/09/06/gender-traitor/comment-page-1/#comment-34974</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle Askini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, 
I think this is such a fascinating truth for a lot of women and
can be tied back to many different interactions of &#039;social codes&#039;. 
What I found very frustrating and difficult when I first strated 
to transition was, I went from being the biggest of queenie fags, 
to the oddly femme (looking/acting) slightly &#039;butch&#039; in the sense
that, 1. I&#039;m a super fracking geek! 2. I tend to get along better
and feel more closely knit with boys, and 3. I seriously never got
the &#039;girl&#039; thing in the social sense of &#039;the world of women&#039; (god! 
I&#039;m seriously having a gender crisis right this moment!).

What is so bizzare is that, when I was a young &#039;boi&#039; I hung out 
with 90% girls, whom I seemed to most closely relate to, but 
as I got older (teens and 20&#039;s) I started to feel similarly &#039;traitorous&#039;
in that, I get guys a heck of a lot better than I get women! 

So. To the male onlooker I&#039;m this &#039;high femme&#039; woman, but
to women I tend to get this &quot;Wow! Weirdo!&quot; vibe that, somehow
I&#039;m a bit off. Call it my &#039;boi geek&#039; heritage but mercy! 

Also: I wonder if part of what you are describing comes from an 
inability to act helpless, stupid, clueless, incapable, and naive. 

If we know the same femme (perhaps not, perhaps so) I suspect
that this person is highly capable, very strong, very intelligent, 
engaged etc... and both honestly and sadly, those are not qualities
that &#039;most women&#039; (a generalization), tend to codify as &#039;uniquely 
female&#039;.   

I would submit that: 
Perhaps you are just a strong ass-kicking, pro-feminist at heart, 
uuber capable, totally NOT debilitated by your gender brilliant
person!!!! 

I&#039;ve really struggled to figure out what &#039;gendered aspects&#039; I choose
to embody (as my original therapist once said &quot;Not if you are a woman,
but HOW you are a woman is the question.&quot;)... I just attribute some
of my &#039;boyish&#039; or (covers mouth) &#039;butch&#039; qualities to my feminist 
core to be a woman who kicks ass and takes names!  

I say! Rock the Socks H*! :-) 
You ain&#039;t missing much by playing dumb and debilitating yourself 
from impacting your life! *ha that sounds SO mean!* But you 
get what I mean.

-Your biggest Fan in Seattle 
~Danielle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,<br />
I think this is such a fascinating truth for a lot of women and<br />
can be tied back to many different interactions of &#8216;social codes&#8217;.<br />
What I found very frustrating and difficult when I first strated<br />
to transition was, I went from being the biggest of queenie fags,<br />
to the oddly femme (looking/acting) slightly &#8216;butch&#8217; in the sense<br />
that, 1. I&#8217;m a super fracking geek! 2. I tend to get along better<br />
and feel more closely knit with boys, and 3. I seriously never got<br />
the &#8216;girl&#8217; thing in the social sense of &#8216;the world of women&#8217; (god!<br />
I&#8217;m seriously having a gender crisis right this moment!).</p>
<p>What is so bizzare is that, when I was a young &#8216;boi&#8217; I hung out<br />
with 90% girls, whom I seemed to most closely relate to, but<br />
as I got older (teens and 20&#8242;s) I started to feel similarly &#8216;traitorous&#8217;<br />
in that, I get guys a heck of a lot better than I get women! </p>
<p>So. To the male onlooker I&#8217;m this &#8216;high femme&#8217; woman, but<br />
to women I tend to get this &#8220;Wow! Weirdo!&#8221; vibe that, somehow<br />
I&#8217;m a bit off. Call it my &#8216;boi geek&#8217; heritage but mercy! </p>
<p>Also: I wonder if part of what you are describing comes from an<br />
inability to act helpless, stupid, clueless, incapable, and naive. </p>
<p>If we know the same femme (perhaps not, perhaps so) I suspect<br />
that this person is highly capable, very strong, very intelligent,<br />
engaged etc&#8230; and both honestly and sadly, those are not qualities<br />
that &#8216;most women&#8217; (a generalization), tend to codify as &#8216;uniquely<br />
female&#8217;.   </p>
<p>I would submit that:<br />
Perhaps you are just a strong ass-kicking, pro-feminist at heart,<br />
uuber capable, totally NOT debilitated by your gender brilliant<br />
person!!!! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve really struggled to figure out what &#8216;gendered aspects&#8217; I choose<br />
to embody (as my original therapist once said &#8220;Not if you are a woman,<br />
but HOW you are a woman is the question.&#8221;)&#8230; I just attribute some<br />
of my &#8216;boyish&#8217; or (covers mouth) &#8216;butch&#8217; qualities to my feminist<br />
core to be a woman who kicks ass and takes names!  </p>
<p>I say! Rock the Socks H*! <img src='http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/wordPress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
You ain&#8217;t missing much by playing dumb and debilitating yourself<br />
from impacting your life! *ha that sounds SO mean!* But you<br />
get what I mean.</p>
<p>-Your biggest Fan in Seattle<br />
~Danielle</p>
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		<title>By: argentLA</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2007/09/06/gender-traitor/comment-page-1/#comment-34809</link>
		<dc:creator>argentLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an equally hard time with both heterosexual men and heterosexual women, for very similar reasons. It makes things very uncomfortable sometimes (which is one of the reasons why I was nodding and muttering &quot;uh huh, yes&quot; pretty much continually through my reading of &lt;i&gt;She&#039;s Not the Man I Married&lt;/i&gt;.

Have you ever seen the 1987 Debra Winger/Theresa Russell movie &lt;i&gt;Black Widow&lt;/i&gt;? I think you would appreciate it. When I watched it last summer I said that it

&quot;really about is women&#039;s roles in society. Alex [Debra Winger] is a professional woman in a line of work that&#039;s still clearly a boys club, trying to operate on the same terms as her colleagues and monumentally frustrated by their reluctance to take her seriously. Winger plays Alex as something of a dork, but, crucially, she&#039;s no more of a dork than any of her male coworkers, it&#039;s just that she&#039;s being judged according to different standards. She becomes fascinated and obsessed with &quot;Catharine&quot; [Theresa Russell] because she&#039;s alarmed at the way she&#039;s gotten away with murder largely through the same condescension Alex experiences: no one is willing to believe a woman would be that calculating and methodical. Alex&#039;s feelings towards Catharine, and subsequent relationship with her, are a complicated mixture of outrage, contempt, and envy. On one hand she&#039;s annoyed at the way Catharine uses her sexuality in this (literally) predatory way, but she&#039;s also reluctantly jealous that it works so well, and she wants to understand why Catharine would choose such a strategy. A conversation between them in the latter part of the second act, where Catharine tells her (quite sincerely) that she&#039;s always seen marrying for money as her job, is quite revealing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an equally hard time with both heterosexual men and heterosexual women, for very similar reasons. It makes things very uncomfortable sometimes (which is one of the reasons why I was nodding and muttering &#8220;uh huh, yes&#8221; pretty much continually through my reading of <i>She&#8217;s Not the Man I Married</i>.</p>
<p>Have you ever seen the 1987 Debra Winger/Theresa Russell movie <i>Black Widow</i>? I think you would appreciate it. When I watched it last summer I said that it</p>
<p>&#8220;really about is women&#8217;s roles in society. Alex [Debra Winger] is a professional woman in a line of work that&#8217;s still clearly a boys club, trying to operate on the same terms as her colleagues and monumentally frustrated by their reluctance to take her seriously. Winger plays Alex as something of a dork, but, crucially, she&#8217;s no more of a dork than any of her male coworkers, it&#8217;s just that she&#8217;s being judged according to different standards. She becomes fascinated and obsessed with &#8220;Catharine&#8221; [Theresa Russell] because she&#8217;s alarmed at the way she&#8217;s gotten away with murder largely through the same condescension Alex experiences: no one is willing to believe a woman would be that calculating and methodical. Alex&#8217;s feelings towards Catharine, and subsequent relationship with her, are a complicated mixture of outrage, contempt, and envy. On one hand she&#8217;s annoyed at the way Catharine uses her sexuality in this (literally) predatory way, but she&#8217;s also reluctantly jealous that it works so well, and she wants to understand why Catharine would choose such a strategy. A conversation between them in the latter part of the second act, where Catharine tells her (quite sincerely) that she&#8217;s always seen marrying for money as her job, is quite revealing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/2007/09/06/gender-traitor/comment-page-1/#comment-34803</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... you know I always thought that it was just me, that I was the only one that &quot;the girls&quot; never quite liked.  I usually hang out with the guys drinking and talking while the girls all do the book club /gossip thing.  Glad to know I am not alone!  It&#039;s kinda awkward being in the middle.

BTW, been reading for long time and never commented before.  I always look forward to reading it.   Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; you know I always thought that it was just me, that I was the only one that &#8220;the girls&#8221; never quite liked.  I usually hang out with the guys drinking and talking while the girls all do the book club /gossip thing.  Glad to know I am not alone!  It&#8217;s kinda awkward being in the middle.</p>
<p>BTW, been reading for long time and never commented before.  I always look forward to reading it.   Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: lindase4da</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindase4da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straight femmes say they feel threatened by the casual way I relate to their &#039;guys&#039; since we share the same interests.  Like an inside joke that only we get leaving them to feel left out.  And when one of their guys calls me or asks me to join them at an event the claws are out and I don&#039;t have a single clue how to unruffle the fur.  They may see me as a gender traitor but I feel more like a gender outsider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight femmes say they feel threatened by the casual way I relate to their &#8216;guys&#8217; since we share the same interests.  Like an inside joke that only we get leaving them to feel left out.  And when one of their guys calls me or asks me to join them at an event the claws are out and I don&#8217;t have a single clue how to unruffle the fur.  They may see me as a gender traitor but I feel more like a gender outsider.</p>
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		<title>By: On Common Ground &#171; After Midnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Common Ground &#171; After Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6th, 2007 &#183; No Comments  I read the following from Helen Boyd this evening:  From http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/?p=1646 . . .And I am, I guess, a gender traitor. I donâ€™t have much in common with the people who are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6th, 2007 &middot; No Comments  I read the following from Helen Boyd this evening:  From <a href="http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/?p=1646" rel="nofollow">http://www.myhusbandbetty.com/?p=1646</a> . . .And I am, I guess, a gender traitor. I donâ€™t have much in common with the people who are [...]</p>
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